Saturday, January 12, 2013

BaseLESS Systems


Can you Prove any accepted System to be BaseLESS according to Buddhism?

In conventional belief, accepted systems are all about Law & Order.
Eg: corporations, governments, religions, societies, nature, etc.

Therefore, unlawful acts & Disorder within a system are justified to be punished by whoever control the system.

Sub-systems are based on Super-systems.
Therefore, we find legal hierarchies.
(Eternal law, Natural law, Man-made positive law, etc)

Suppose we penetrate through layers of sub-super (cause of effect) systems up to the very MAIN SYSTEM.

Can that MAIN SYSTEM proved to be BaseLESS as per Buddhism (Nibbāna)?

{Is it true that even Siddhartha who became Buddha was born out of Mahā-Māyā, the Great-Illusion?

Also consider Maha-Brahma the Great-Existence in Buddhism who thought to himself as the permanent creator, the all knowing}

If MAIN SYSTEM is BaseLESS, all other systems based on the Main-System will be baseless as well.
Therefore, all systems will be unlawful, disordered, unscientific and illogical from the root.

Can the same be proven using chaos (cosmogony) theory, Big-Bang theory, Śūnyatā or Vibhajyavāda theories, etc?

This question is an invitation for the wise to discuss system knowledge in depth!!!



  1. You are attempting to argue that complex systems can't derive from simpler ones, and that is not true, nor is it what Siddhartha said. If fact, he said the perceived current existence is a product of those baseless originators. And yes, he was right. The evidence being the entire body of cosmological knowledge. There was a singularity (amorphous) and now there are ordered structures.

    1. Question is broader than you suggested and it is not focused to argue that complex systems can't derive from simpler ones.

      Buddhist cosmology has multiple aspects as a study tool for thought processes.
      If your suggestion of what Siddhartha said is true, the question here is not challenged.
      Hope you can prove your point in simple language to a layman.

  2. base-less or cause-less or free from cause and effect.

    Nibbana (nirvana) is not caused but achieved. Once one has no desire, anger, wrong view, and pride, one is free from their influence. this freedom is called nibbana. yes, this is how nibbana is cause-less. the point is "cessation of perception and feeling" is called nibbana. perception and feeling are the first Noble Truth caused by desire or 2nd Noble Truth.

    words tend to cause problems and misunderstanding. some Buddhists do have this trouble let alone outsiders. once you miss the very simple meaning of what nibbana is, you will certainly be lost. as long as you're not corrected, you'd be hopeless. this is how many (bookish) Buddhists are lost.

    let me know if i get to the point or not.

    1. How are you genuinely qualified to judge who is lost or not lost?
      If not, why attempt to correct an open thinker?
      Who are outsiders and insiders to an open thinker, who does not fully surrender to any system?
      Do you think Avijja (no-science) is the base for existence of any system?
      Please answer the question only.